tv Charlie Rose WHUT November 12, 2012 11:00pm-12:00am EST
style in which he directs, you can't take -- you can't think it. you've got to just do it. and be ready to -- you have to be prepared with the dialogue, the character but he gives you things as you're doing it and you have to go with that. you can't stop and say "wait, i didn't have my motivation." you have to go it with. >> it's a blessing as a director when you have someone who related personally to the material as mr. de niro and i do through our family experiences. that made him bring it, i think, with an intensity and extraordinary performances. mr. cooper was being reintroduced to the world. i started the movie on his back. >> rose: we conclude this evening with a conversation about golf with nick faldo who has a new book with golf instruction. it's called "a swing for life." >> you stand and you think, okay, this feels really tough right now" and your stomach's going and you've got to worken
it but then you say to yourself "this is why you belted those golf balls. now you've thrown yourself in the deep end and can you wriggle out of it?" and if you do obviously it's a wonderful feeling to know that now i sit back 15 odd years since my last big win or 25 since celebrating and just -- fortunately i can now hit the word "gratitude" and go, wow, i had it. i had it in my hands, my heart, and my head to go out there and play and win. >> rose: robert de niro, bradley cooper, david o. russell and nick faldo when we continue.
of a troubled young man who struggles to rebuild his life after being released from a psychiatric institution. the book is now awe a movie starring bradley cooper, robert de niro and jennifer lawrence. here's a look at the trailer. >> let me break it down for you. the whole time you're rooting for this hemingway guy to survive the war and be with the woman he loves. >> it's 4:00 in the morning. >> can't somebody say hey, let's have a good ending to the story. i can't apologize. you know what i will do? i'll apologize on behalf of earnest hemingway, that's who to blame here. >> have hemingway call us and apologize to us, too. >> i'm getting fit for nicky. >> patrick, she left, she's gone. >> doc, i have one instinct. i come home from work, i see my wife in the shower, i pull the car pain back -- so, yeah, i snapped. >> hey, tiffany, it's pat, you look nice. >> thank you.
>> look, i think you're pretty but i'm not looking. >> neither am i. >> that's confusing, he's dead. >> wait, what's happening? 6- >> what's this i hear about you getting out of the loony bin? >> i thought you said you had it together! you were solid. >> i am solid! i was solid at the game. >> hey! >> what the hell? >> i just wanted to be friends. >> how did you lose your job >> by having sex with everybody in the office. >> serve in >> i was very depressed. >> we don't have to talk about it. how many were there? >> don't let tiffany get you in trouble. >> she's my friend. why would you say that? >> there's this dance thing. i can only do it if i have a partner. >> i'm not going to dance with you. >> is this the girl you wrote about? >> you wrote about me? >> she's my friend with an "f." >> capital "f." >> we're friends. >> let me tell you, when life
reaches out at a moment like this, it's a sin if you don't reach back. it's a sin if you don't reach back. >> this is what i believe to be true. you have to do everything you can. you have to work your hardest. if you stay positive, you have a shot at a silver lining. what's this? >> i thought you were doing it? >> i thought you were doing it? >> rose: joining me co-stars bradley cooper and robert de niro. also writer and director david o. russell. i'm pleased to have all of them here back at this table. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. >> rose: you read matthew quick's book or you saw it as a scrip. >> no, i saw it and i've had a son who's had some of these emotional situations i immediately related to it. and i said what a wonderful story and a wonderful world that is both tragic, heart breaking, emotional and ultimately funny
and uplifting. >> rose: so dark and light. and you saw it as a movie? >> yes, it's very cinematic to me because you have the raw material of the world on a block in philadelphia. you have three very powerful characters. one played by robert de niro, bradley cooper and jennifer lawrence. >> rose: what's the story? >> bradley cooper's character is coming out of a mental hospital. we're trying to put it together. we don't know what happened. we know he has a restraining order. we know he has a positive attitude. he calls it the silver linings attitude. he's remade himself to getting his wife back and being a better man and he moves back home with his very concerned father. >> rose: she's in part the reason he's there? >> yes, she has the restraining order on him and he's dedicated to being a better husband than he was before and his parents think that that's not going to happen but they can't move him off it. >> rose: and pat, sr., is? >> he's -- i mean, he's a
character that a lot of people are -- identify with. people have seen the movie and say it remintdz them of their father. he does gambling and is a book maker on the side and president connection -- his son accuses him of having -- being obsessive-compulsive and he is but so what, you know? and i don't know how to -- he describes it much better. >> rose: it's a story of a father and a son and the story of a pursuit >> it's a romance inside of a family drama. this romance sneaks up on them in the form of this very -- this girl who's very feared by the family. she's considered to be more trouble than the son. >> rose: this is tiffany? >> tiffany by jennifer lawrence which was -- you know -- >> rose: did you get her to do an audition by skype? >> my first time i ever had a
skype audition was with jennifer lawrence from her parents' home in louisville, kentucky. she put on the black eye liner. she really wanted the role and we all thought she was too young. we thought she didn't know if she had the depth and she knocked us out with her audition >> rose: he's bipolar? and the obsession is to get back with his wife? >> that's right. >> rose: before he meets jennifer's character tiffany. >> he's trying to control everything. >> rose: he believes he can do it? >> absolutely. that's his play book is that he is going to -- first of all, the way he sees it he doesn't have the condition. it was a plea bargain with the court so he wouldn't have to serve time so he would go in the hospital. but when he was in there he was diagnosed with bipolar. he doesn't want to take medication. he's going to read his wife's syllabus and that's going to garner her attention and he's going to lose weight and get his job back and everything's going to work out. but he comes home -- >> he's a high school teacher.
>> he was a gym teacher who subbed as a history teacher occasionally. but he can't see his wife. he has a restraining order. he doesn't have a job and he's living with his parents so life is not quite what he has planned. >> rose: do you have the benefit here of -- because he has admired him for a long time and we'll show you a clip later in which there's chemistry beyond actors beyond which you might have expected from the text. >> it's a gift these two worked together and they made "limitless" together and had a father/son -- i happened to go to mr. den nero's birthday party and saw these two had a very good comfortable relationship and that goes a long way. >> rose: bobby? it was? >> if you can have those things that are already built in, let's put it this way, it doesn't hurt and so that was good, absolute >> rose: you have said that the way you are as a director is somewhere between "it's a wonderful life" and "goodfellas."
(laughter) where's that? >> so true. >> rose: is it? >> yes, absolutely. >> everyone at this table is -- charlie, is half italian american and so it's -- i love the rawness of the emotion and the authenticity of the world that i learned from the cinema that mr. de niro did with mr. scorsese. i learned from that, grew up on that and the rhythms of it and you feel like you're a voyeur and it's a very raw unflinching emotional world. at the same time, mr. cap, a people forget he gave us the heart and the warmth which i also love and the redemption, which i also love. so that's what puts me between the two. >> rose: i want to take a look at the scenes. this is where bob is concerned about the cheerful demeanor that his son has. roll tape. >> i'm making crab snacks and homemade -- >> dad, be nice. she's making crab snack snacks and homemades! come on, dad! >> what are you so up about?
>> you're very happy. >> i'm happy. >> you're so up, up, up. >> isn't that a good thing? >> no, you're just up, up, up, i don't know what that is. are you taking the proper dosage of your medication? >> am i taking the right dose? of course i am. >> okay, taking a little bit too many or something? >> (laughs) if i was taking that i would be on the floor, dad. >> rose: i want to go to another scene. this is where you just read "a farewell to arms." set that scene up for me. >> as i said before, he wants to read the entire syllabus that his wife is going to teach so he thinks and he's going to crack it with -- >> rose: get her back. >> so the first one is going to be "farewell to arms" and it's his first night home and he cracks it up in the attic where he's sleeping and it didn't work out the way he wanted it to. >> rose: roll tape. here it is. >> what the -- the whole time you're rooting for this hemingway guy to survive the war and be with the woman he loves, catherine barkley. >> it's 4:00 in the morning, pat. >> and he does. he does. he survives the war after
getting blown up. he survives it and he escapes to switzerland with catherine. you think he ends it there? no! she die, dad! the world's hard enough as it is guys. can't somebody say "hey, let's be positive? let's have a good ending to the story"? >> you owe us an apology. >> mom, i can't apologize. i'm not going to apologize for this. you know what i will do? i will apologize on behalf of earnest hemingway because that's who to blame here. >> have ernest hemingway call us and apologize to us, too. >> rose: you're a lucky man. you're getting great performances here, including jennifer lawrence. >> as a director when you have someone who relates personally to the material as mr. de niro and i do through our families and family experiences that made him bring it with an intensity. and extraordinary performances. mr. cooper was being reintroduced to the world. i started the movie on his back because i thought as with
christian bale, we sat at the table with him, people didn't realize that was him in "the fighter." they said "that's christian bale." by the time the camera wraps around, i don't think people have seen into his eyes in a movie. he's a very complicated character here. >> rose: this was before "hunger games" came out. >> yes, and we saw her taking off as -- you could see "hunger games" coming like a tsunami as we were shooting our film. >> this is where these two characters -- he's in pursuit of his wife. he meets her and they start to want to compete in a dance contest. here's the first meeting. >> what meds are you on? >> me? none. i used to be on lithium and seroquel and abill phi but i don't take them anymore, no. they make me foggy and they also make me bloated. >> yeah, i was on xanax and if he can or. >> you ever take klonopin? >> chron pick? yeah. >> wild. >> yeah! >> habit trazodone? >> trazodone? >> it flattens you out.
you are done. it takes the life right out of your eyes. >> that it does. >> i'm tired. i want to go. >> no, no, we haven't -- we haven't even finished the salad yet. the duck. i made the fire and ice cake. >> i said i'm tired. are you going to walk me home or what? >> are you kidding me? >> yeah, you. are you going to walk me home? >> you have poor social skills. you have a problem. >> i have a problem? you say more inappropriate things than appropriate things. you scare people. >> well, i tell the truth. you're mean. (laughter) >> rose: good script, isn't it? >> yeah. >> rose: tell me, you've done this before. when you went to the actors studio, you were already enamored of the idea-- he's going to be embarrassed by this, you know-- about being the kind of actor he was. >> oh, i mean, i -- i mean, a quarter of the actor that he was
i would want to. >> rose: that he was the guy. >> he was the guy. absolutely. there's no question he was the guy. and i wouldn't even say it all the time because i thought that he's the guy for so many people that i would actually not say his name but the truth is he was. >> rose: and what was that about? >> well, i think -- you know, not having known we have a similar background. he has a quality that is just obviously unbelievable and besides him being a great actor, when i would watch his movies it would hit me in a certain way. whatever truth he has he brings to everything. also, christmas, thanksgiving, all the times our families were together we would talk about de niro. that's the way it is in the east coast of america if you're italian. that's just what happens. >> rose: how did the friendship develop? >> we got to be friends because of "limitless." we met when we were on one of the juries in tribeca and we
talked about "limitless." we met and talked about doing it -- >> and if i could just say one thing. this is what's great about him. i put myself on tape to play his son in the movie. >> rose: oh, i remember this. >> but, you know, you took the time knowing that i wasn't going to get it, sam rockwell may have been already cast. he took the time to say to brian "hey, that kid who made that tape, let me meet him in between 700 things. let me take five minutes and say to him stay on track." >> rose: you're not going to get the role. but i see something. >> i see something and he gave me a hug. for an actor trying to make his way, i mean, that is like gold. better. it's better. >> rose: roll tape. here's another scene in the relationship between the two of you. >> how are you doing, mr. de niro, my name is bradley cooper. my question is regardings "awakenings." you talked about your research and how you interviewed patients
and there was one mannerism that you had during the interview process and they were skk you when you wanted to go outside ak and you went like this with your finger and you made up with it by rubbing your eyebrow. >> right. >> is that something you saw people do-- make up for your tics or was that something that happened in the moment? >> that's a good question. >> that's all you gave him? >> no, he answered it. >> rose: >> that's a lot! >> it was huge. >> rose: so what's the answer? >> i forgot what i said but it could have either -- it might have been written or it might have been something that -- to cover up the tic that -- to make it look like he was doing something, that could have been a choice. i don't remember what i -- but it was good no matter where what. where it came from. >> rose: you're a busy man. you've got tribeca. you've got businesses. you've got -- tribeca suffered during the recent hurricane
sandy. what occupies your time and what satisfies your psyche? >> well, being part of this movie definitely does couldn't ask for anything better. >> rose: characters -- >> absolutely. yeah. yeah. you can't ask for anything more. i have a very busy life. i do a lot of things and i like it that way. >> rose: would you have been a different actor if you had not been so -- you know, curious about so many things? >> well, possibly in some ways i feel that to -- certain projects you can't -- you have to be focused in a certain way. but it's much more complicated and i can't give the answer now. i have clear thoughts and
definite thoughts about that. it's also the perception people have if you do different things can you be as focused? the fact is, that helps me more to take my mind off something to be as we were talking about in the moment as opposed to constantly concerning myself about something, what i did when i was younger which is good, that's fine with. i like to -- you don't -- with what we just did, silver linings with david, you can't -- the style in which he directs you can't take -- you can't think it. you have to just do it and be ready. you have to be prepared with the dialogue, the character. but he gives you things as you're doing it and you have to go with that. you can't, like, stop and say "wait, i didn't have my motivation" and all that kind of thing. you just have to go with it and
you can't overthink things. i think it's very important not always but in certain situations where you just ride with it and that's what we discussed after he started saying, geez, the way david -- i don't know what it's going to be but it's really interesting and good and i'm having good time and i said, yeah, yeah. there was one actor i think who, like, didn't quite -- you were telling me they didn't quite get it at the moment they kind of resisted. you can't resist. you've got to go with it. trust it. especially if he knows all the characters. if he says it, it kind of frees you so you don't have to worry about what's this? how do i go there? he kind of does it for you, in a way. >> rose: and the more confident new your own skills, the easier it is to go? >> it's simpler than you think. it's very hard for actors. and i get caught up that n that myself where you have to do more than something and you don't
have to do anything, nothing, and you're better off and it will work -- the way people are in life. they don't do anything that could -- i'm talking and looking at your expression and you could have been told that somebody in your family was just -- had some terrible thing, you're still going to have the same look on your face and that says more and allows the audience to read into it as opposed to you telling them what they should feel and actors tend at times to try to -- they think they have to give it something and they don't have to give it anything. so with david if we're just working, working, doing all these things you don't time to think about this or that or how do i spin it or interpret it, you just have to do it. it will take care of itself. that's very important. it's not as complicated or it doesn't need as much -- something behind it, like a spin i call it, for it to be -- it's unfortunate because you don't do
anything but you don't to do anything. it's that simple. especially in film. >> rose: did you learn that later rather than earlier? >> no, i just -- i observe people and see how they behave in emotional dramatic situations and it's -- it's -- you see it. in actual like situations and you can see that a lot more now because everybody has a camera. you see all these things and it's right there. i say if you're doing something if you have a problem, you're looking at a scene or something, just go back to what the reality of it would be. the reality of it might be nothing, fine, do nothing. nothing is better than doing something that's going to feel like you're pushing it. it's like a novel. you read a novel, you can imagine what it is and that's the same in many ways with acting. not always, certain things.
it's important that those -- those -- but that's just understood. >> rose: well it seems to me that's -- >> and the director has to understand that. most of all because they have helped you, they give you the perspective. >> rose: life is a bit like that too. >> exactly. >> rose: you can't always be reaching, sometimes you have to let it come to you. and it will be better. >> exactly. >> how about all the time? >> rose: that's right. >> that's the goal. that's what happens to him in the movie. pushing and pushing, he's pushing. >> and then have to come to him in a way that he is resisting and it just comes to jennifer. and the both of you surprised us many times on the set with your performances. i mean, there was a scene where it was often the last take after we thought we were done and everybody would come back and we'd say let's do one more. we wouldn't know what was going to happen, especially with mr. de niro and it happened with you quite a bit, too. when he was crying on the bed with you in the father/son scene
none of us saw that coming. we didn't talk about it. it just happened. i wasn't sure what was happening for a minute because i was looking back and i don't carry a monitor on the set. i want to be near the camera with them and i said what's happening? is he waiting for a line? and i realized, oh, something's happening, because i couldn't see his face and he was crying and then you started. and it became a very great moment between a father and son who often can't find the bridge. they're trying to go over different bridges. >> but his craft, that was on him. we found that in the last take of his closeup. we haven't even come around to my side yet and he went there every time on my side >> to give it back to you. >> yeah. there's the -- catch lightning in the bottle once, try doing it six times. that's where this guy -- you just go, wait a second. that's all on the level. >> is this true whether it's a classic or whether it's a comedy or a drama or heavy or light?
same principle? >> well, it's -- it applies to everything that i always say just go back -- i'm generalizing more or less but just go back to what the reality of the truth -- reality of it would be. do you need to put so much into something in order to make -- to be effective? that's the -- to communicate with the audience chp is the purpose of the whole piece to move them and it might not take as much as one would think to do that. >> this film, we never said "this is a comedy, let's try to make it funny." like "raging bull" or "goodfella" are to two of the most -- the funniest films i've ever seen. and like wise with "the fighter" we said let's just make it real and what's funny comes from how real they're being.
>> rose: you studied "raging bull." >> yeah. everything. >> rose: you wanted to do and you did briefly the alpha man? >> yeah. this summer. >> rose: and you want to bring it to broadway. >> yes. >> rose: what is it about "elephant man"? >> oh, man, it was pretty much -- robert de niro and david lynch did "the elephant man" when i was 12. it was his canon in that film that inspired me to act and that character who i just got to know over the years and realized that was a human being, joseph merrick who lived in london, died at 26. by the time i got to grad school i realized it was a play by bernard popl rants and i thought "this can't be true. i can investigate this guy and play him." so i did this for my thesis in grad school. i'm 37, he died when he was 26 and i'm in an opportunity where i can do something in williamstown if i just ask them and i thought, well, i don't have my m years left, let me see if i can do it. we did it this summer for five weeks and it went well because
it could have gone either way. so we're going to do it for a limited run. >> i was interested in it. >> rose: i called and said my friends in winchendon i'm coming up to see it and they said no, it's over last week. (laughter) >> well, hopefully you'll get a chance next spring. >> i'm glad it's going to come. i heard they have the sexiest man alive from the cover of "people" magazine comes out before you in that loincloth that the elephant man wears. i heard -- >> i saw the data, the data came out. i was hoping. he comes out -- this is the great feat of theater. he comes out and before your eyes in realtime contorts himself into someone who you forget in five minutes that it's him. you see that contorted guy and you forget for the whole
duration of the show, everybody, all my family friends told me that that's what knocked them out. that's the trick right there. you pulled everybody in and you did it. that's a great thing. >> rose: when are you going back on stage? >> i don't know. i don't know. i don't know. depends on if there's something that comes along. >> rose: be do you love to do it? >> i do if it's really going to be special and then you have to -- i hate to say this. you have to do it everyday you can do eight performances or maybe five depending on how hard it is and that's negotiable. it just depends on what it is. i'm not -- i'm not against it. we actually read something a few months ago just to see an so i'm not -- i have something else i'm thinking about. i won't say it now but it's not quite a play but it's something
that i would be involved in. >> rose: you have how many movies coming out? >> (laughs) we have this one on the 21st and then the movie that i did in schenectady, new york, called "place beyond the pines" in march. >> rose: you're working -- >> right now i'm shooting "the hangover" which will come out in march. >> rose: how do those movies do at the box office? >> you know, i don't really look at the numbers. >> rose: it must be pretty good if they keep doing them. (laughter) seems to me. thank you. great to see you. >> thank you, charlie. >> rose: thank you so much, thank you, david. the movie is, as you know "silver lining." i'm just looking, it opens wednesday, november 21 nationwide. it opens in limited release this friday, november 16. back in a moment. stay with us. >> rose: sir nick faldo is here, he has had a legendary career in golf. he became enamored with the sport in 1971 after watching
jack nicklaus at the masters. he won six major titles, three masters and three british open championships. today he's the lead analyst for golf coverage on cbs and the golf channel. he writes about the fundamentals of the game and a swing for life pitts release celebrates the 25th anniversary of his first major victory of the u.s. nope 1987. i am pleased to have nick faldo at this table for the first time. welcome. let me go to one thing in your life. most of us are always enamored when somebody changes their swing. tiger has done it a number of times. you famously did it and took time off to do it. with david letterman -- (laughs) david lindbergh. >> no comedy, it wasn't a funny time. >> rose: why did you feel the necessary toy do that? >> i threw myself in some situations. i was leading the open championship, there were nine holes to go, i collapsed on that
fell apart sort sort of thing. >> rose: why do you fall apart? >> well, that time if you cannot hit certain shots under pressure, that's the real bottom line or put under pressure. so i had a great year in 1983, i was european number one. then i went another year through '84 and i played with ben crenshaw in the final group at the masters in '84. i then won at hilton head, my first win in america. but to cut a long story short, by the end of the year a little voice said "you haven't quite got it." so david ledbetter was right there, in sun city in south africa and i'd been asking other coaches "what do you think?" and then david said well, if we get the chain reaction right we can -- we can work on things or change things. so i thought about it again for a couple more months until may of -- i just missed the cut and
i said, right, throw the book at me and in hindsight that was crazy, that was ridiculous to do it mid-season. i wouldn't advise anybody to do a major rebuild mid-season, especially the position i was in before. as i said, i was european number one and the media absolutely went for me obviously because he didn't know what he's doing and you're trying to -- and fortunately the one thing i had -- i was given was determination because i used to practice like a madman, go off to the next tournament, play lousy, finish lousy or miss the cut and then head home and go from practice with five or six sessions a day and then i'd be back for dinner and dinner would be in the dust bin as we say in britain. so -- that was two years and so i didn't think it was going to take two years and then finally it clicked.
finally in the spring of '87 we had another session and the hardest thing for me was actually i met my -- jill at the airport and all the guys turned left and went to augusta national and i turned right and went off to play hatsberg which was a small event opposite the masters and that kind of hurts and fortunately i shot 467 with this new swing that finally quicked, finished second and a couple months later i won the open championship. >> rose: i've seen enough golf video where i've seen you with ledbetter. what was the transformation. >> the transformation is funny, it's a lot of work. we did it abold-fashioned way, beating a lot of golf balls and slowly undoing one set of muscle memory to recreate new muscle memory which i think you can do so much better. if i was are-to-rebuild now i would take off a team and clear
the old pictures i would have a trainer to rebuild the body. and then you would gol to hawaii. spend a couple month there is. >> rose: if you had that, would your career have been different? the sports guy? >> well, you never know. i think it was necessary to become a major winner. that was the whole point when i came back out and started winning i had that period from '87 to '92, i won five majors which was better than anybody in that era and as i say on my talking on television, i could play on a sunday amp especially at a major and that was the most -- that's the thrill to an athlete to be able to perform on a sunday afternoon when the pressure is right there. you can enjoy that nice stomach. >> rose: you quote jack as
saying when he looked into that crowd and said "this is why i'm here. a chance to win." and you say this feels tough right now and your stomach is going and you say to yourself "this is why you belted those golf balls." now you've thrown yourself in the deep end and can you go out of it and if you do it's a wonderful feeling to know that now i sit back 15 odd years since my last big win or 25 since celebrating and fortunately i can now hit the word gratitude and go i had it in my mandz hands, my heart and head to go out and play and win so i can't ask for much more than that. >> rose: if you went out this sunday afternoon to play 18 -- >> 77. >> rose: (laughs) 77. >> it's not good. i'm actually -- i'm really keen right now because i'm going flay a father and son in december with my boy matthew. >> rose: how old is matthew. >> 23 now, my boy.
and he's tweeting "we can take them, dad!" >> rose: daddy better get ready. >> so i've got my coach. they're all keen. they have me lined up for putting session next wednesday and we've changed the swing already. >> rose: it's been great moments especially at the masters with greg norman. i was there. i watched you come out. i had no idea that you could do it. did you think you had a remote chance that day? >> well, i did. >> rose: on that sunday? >> when you're given a glimmer and you see what's possible. you do all the press interviews on saturday night and people say can you do it? so you have to put on a brave face. "of course i can." and i went home and thought this is doable." and i had a game plan, i thought if i can just get -- if i can clip three off him through nine holes -- >> rose: three off in the first nine. >> three in the first nine. i've seen hit in the path, i've seen guys not be able to handle three shot lead in the masters.
the most pressure packed golf course that we play. it's nerve ends and pictures. once you scare yourself you start seeing the wrong pictures at augusta national and that's what happens. sure enough we know what happened and amazingly by the time we got to the 12th we're now tied. and that was unbelievable because you're like the old philosophy in match play, you know, hitting the green first. well that is some serious green to hit. i was really starting to really feel it and i had a nice seven-iron and i thought i've done my bit then greg gives me another two and it's now mine to lose so for me it was the best round i'd ever had because it was towards the end of my career and i had to push myself through it mentally because i would have the doubts like we all have as golfers, you know, i can't do this. i don't like this shot and i would going a, all right, take it step by step.
then i would walk myself through the shots mentally, which is what i describe in the book. a crash course, learn to visualize and feel it and do it. so i got through the day. as you said, the wonderful thing for me is people said did you win two opens -- or one -- and you go, no, no, and so many people go '96 masters, you and greg. they get all the facts right. so it's kind of cool. >> rose: when you were at your best, what swing thought did you have? >> yeah, i did have swing thoughts because a lot of people say you can't -- a lot of people use this -- psychologists jump in and say you have to think of nothing. well, my analogy is when you need to go to the bathroom you have to think of something, don't you? we've done that a thousand times. so, yeah, i have swing thoughts and i got labeled as being this mechanical man or whatever because i could tune out the shots but i had as simple as okay, turn, set, rotate,
whatever. watch it, release. i could have a couple going back and turn and set going back or turn and coming down. i've obviously made a decision on what i want to hit. so hold off, rotate, whatever. so i had a -- when you're really good i personally that's's important to have because if you're doing it well on a thursday, why change it for sunday afternoon? you don't have to add any more. keep churning out the same stuff good thoughts. that's what gets you through the pressure. >> rose: rory is number one. is he the best golfer in the world today? >> when you're on and having your moments, yes. the way he played especially p.g.a. he's had a great season. won a couple times. i'll say yes.
incredible span like tiger when he was undeniably best for ten years. >> rose: what is surprising today that tiger is ranked number two, is he not? >> yeah, he still managed to sneak even n even though -- which must frustrate him because he's -- tiger wants to win and that's what he was out there for and so he put himself in position to get into the majors. of course he keeps stacking up three wins and he's had good consistent finishes. >> rose: on saturday and friday. >> apart from the masters, he's been right there so he's picking up whatever second third and fourths but to him that hurts. he was there to win and he had an opportunity. >> rose: how different is the game that he has? not the victory bus the game when you look at his swing and how you reach the course and his pacing? >> it was all very different now when you're in a flow of playing great golf it's like any
athlete. and it's easy, how many times do guys come in and go i shot 64, i just did this, did that. bang, bang, bang. now it's hard work. now it's really hard work because as soon as he hits a poor shot he knows why and i personally think it's a little deeper than just a pause shot and i'll fix it -- a little bean starts to sit on your shoulders. >> rose: how do you eliminate those? >> well, they start to grow as you get older and it's quite difficult so you have to -- the shot we keep talking about with tiger -- you have to have a go-to shot and when you can stand on the "t" and go "i don't like this one there, there's water there and out-of-bounds there, i still have to thread it down the middle" then you need to have a go-to shot. to have a swing or action that produces a shot. tiger fears it going right.
he has trouble down the right and he aims left. quite a few have gone left. and all these little fellas start to see -- and once you see one two too many -- >> rose: is that what happened to you at some point? exactly. i'm speaking from personal experience where to play this game you -- you have to have 100% self-belief. because we only get a moment of impact of a millisecond so you have to really trust when you're standing at the top of the hill at augusta number 11, you cannot miss the green there, there, or there. you've got to hit it there. if you don't absolutely trust that you can put that blade on to the ball and hit the shot you intend to hit once that starts to go, it's really difficult obviously you have to fight it and deal with it and move your targets and this sort of thing but if you face this shot and go "i don't like this" then you can't deal with it and you hit a bad shot, then it's an ouch
inside here. so that's what he's got to rebuild. >> will he beat jack's record of 18? >> everybody wants a yes or no. i'm leaning to the no side right now. >> rose: you are? >> yeah, because it's a long haul. we've now gone four years since his last major win. we've obviously been three years of his private life so -- and i was one of the few people right at the very begining who said -- because i can speak from some experience. once you disrupt that nice, serene life of walking to the range and hitting golf balls and not worrying about anything until 5:00 until you go home, he damaged that. he doesn't have that wonderful clear mind to just go and hit golf balls which is a pretty good job, isn't it?
>> rose: behe will win another major? >> well, again, that is more than likely. >> rose: you're not sure, are you? >> i'm not sure. like anybody. it was almost a certainty. he did it 14 times in 14 days. preposterous. fantastic and preposterous and now as we've seen he's been there, he's been leading majors and all of a sudden he is struggling to finish it off so that's what i'm saying. if he works it out, sure. he will put himself back in position again and may work it out. but it's not a foregone conclusion. >> rose: people talk about how he used to intimidate people and he doesn't have that anymore ( >> well, that again is the aura he had. i stood on the practice ground it must have been about -- early days of television. good six years ago. >> rose: early days of television? (laughs) >> well, my career. my career. >> rose: (laughs) >> he walked on the range and he
was like a freight train. the aura that came in behind him whoa. and that is what's been really -- he's self-destructed on that one and then the guys have been picked up and as i said i would describe it. everybody watched tiger. everybody. through the -- the players were watching him. fans were watching, everything. and he had this ma in thattism, this aura around him. now all of a sudden the guys realize, i would describe, they realize tiger's got so much going on i can concentrate on my own -- people were giving him energy. now the players go hang on a minute. he's got enough to deal with. i know his swing is this and that and he can't play like he used to. i'll use that 10% of energy i was worrying about him where he was in the lead. i worry about myself now. and these youngsters have, like -- have got the freedom too go and play and they've had the opportunity to beat tiger and
they more than likely will keep it. >> rose: if you were 21 today and in good as health as you've ever been, whose swing would you like to have? >> well, the best -- i mean, adams god. >> rose: what makes adam scott -- >> well, again, back to fundamentals. great grip, great posture, great takeaway, great body movement. the kids now have this wonderful -- we use track man. >> rose: kids like people like adam scott, rory mcelroy. >> well, i'd go to 15. these kids now have the knowledge where we did -- we were the pioneers of this knowledge. we didn't know how hard to train could you lift weights to train, what could we eat on the golf course? the first people to go and eat a chicken sandwich were on the golf course, were they doing anything good? well, these kids almost have a blueprint and you can have this at 15. you can go this is how i train
mentally. i really want to get into this. my diet can be this and that and all sorts of things and if you start doing this from 15 to 20 you are going to come out a way better golfer than we did for those five years of our lives because we were still the experimental stage. we were still learning how good walter was on the golf course and things like that. they come out so much more equipped and it's going to be an influx coming soon, especially america, these college kids of early 20s. and then they've got people like rory mcelroy who's doing their confidence a world of good saying hey, it's possible to win a major under 25, which was always deemed the very special number. i mean, jack did it, tiger did it, zef vi did it and then rory. so there's the special guys to win majors under 25.
so these youngsters will think yeah, this is possible. >> rose: the best swing in hisly. >> oh, well, that -- you could take the mixtures of -- you've obviously got hogan, we've got snead, i love lee trevino. but lee knew how to hit that golf ball. you put a gun to his head and said hit that down the fairway and the fairway is this wide he'll do it and he'll be talking while he does it which is even better. and then -- jack was -- obviously knew what he was doing. i loved all of those guys. that was the treat to me was to go to my championship when i was a kid in '73 and watch these guys and i used to come back to the city and i used to imitate those swings and i used to play jack versus me and miller versus me. >> rose: (laughs) >> i don't know, actually. it was all -- it was all fictitious. >> rose: when you're standing at the "t" and off the "t" men are you play where your son, who's going to be the furtherest off
the tee? >> well, he is now. he's -- >> rose: he'll be ahead of you by 15, 20 yards. >> and the rest. i don't mind if he's on my side because i know i can still beat him. >> rose: you do? >> i can still beat him. >> rose: he's shooting what? >> somewhere between four and seven but i can get him into here because once i chip in, i used to be so fine. i played with him ever since he was two and three and i would always chip in and it would drive him nuts because i'd miss the green like -- you know. >> rose: did you have a natural instinct for broadcasting that was hidden? (laughs) >> well, yeah, i think -- >> rose: talk talk about you as a kind of determined, focused -- didn't know anything else but what you were doing at the moment. no sense of humor, although you could tell jokes, they say? >> well, yeah. >> rose: but when it came to the mic and there was a faldo we didn't know. but people who knew you may have known.
>> absolutely. the people who knew me. i would put my head down, blinkers on as i call it. >> rose: looking ahead. >> and i went to the practice green and i got labeled in that era. but when i went home i had friends, i wanted friends outside of golf, i thought that was important because i didn't want to sit at a dinner table and it be like an interview. and i would tell good stories and i'd lean -- i might having a joke, my dad was in amateur dramatics back in his day and i said, heck, maybe i got that from dad. and, you know, once i got into television because it's so funny i -- you know, i'd play 28 a year, the last thing i want to go do is go back to the golf course. >> rose: (laughs) >> and then i got into it. it's now ten years ago since i did my first trials or so and i've done eight seasons now and you know i love it and it's kind
of a natural to it is next to nantz. >> dave: nantz makes it easer. >> >> oh, yeah. he was amazing and jim's great. nants. tillman is great. the whole crowd are good at sething you up and i -- and i can go with stories and you learn, you learn with television you've got to tell a really good story there about seven seconds. something like that. >> rose: all right, finally, the ryder cup. what happened? >> well, it was the moon. >> rose: (laughs) >> if you were watching me, my usual nuttiness, i was sitting there at the -- you know, we have the studio and i looked up, full moon. so i said to our stat man, i said, hey, tell me what golfers play really great under a full moon. we had to come up with something. >> rose: they're all european. >> you have to fill four hours of golf talk. he comes back and said "you won't believe it. the last full moon -- there's only three full moons in the whole ryder cup history.
the last one was 1999 when america came back from the sixth down, 6-10 down. so i went with that. i said, hey, look, everybody's feeling something. so that was one silly thing. but the key obviously was -- you know, the afternoon what ian porter did, turned that around, kept them in and i was just with rose -- adjusting and i said the atmosphere, we were bouncing off the walls saturday night and that was what was the whole thing. david said the best line. he said the match is tied at 10-6, get me -- so the scores weren't tied but mentally it was tied and europe got the most incredible -- so we were talking about '96. if you believe it's possible -- and we sat there on t.v. and said well, it's possible but this, this, this and this as got to happen. you have to win the first five matches. and the next important thing i said was if that happens that will silence the crowd because the crowd was fabulous.
and america did everything right. absolutely -- and still for what he did. silence the crowd. that will scare them. and you can see the faces change and think oh, my goodness, we're into the match. and we said those last four matches which were the weaker guys on paper in the european team and wasn't it amazing that we've had 26 matches and the last two matches are out there and they're all tied at two holes aa play. that event is unbelievable. we're all leaning on is captain davis love had played phil, i think he should have put his arm around phil on that saturday morning -- saturday morning. he was probably done by 10:30, hi won his match whatever it was 6-5. he should have put his arm around and said, look, i know what we said about the four thing, we're only going to play
four times but it will be -- you just go out and win because you're so pumped up, you two, with king and bradley, that might just shut the door. america may have thought a 10-6 on home soil they'd already shut the down. there may have been a little bit of that. but it was -- but all those things happened on that sunday and it scared america, as you said, and it came dune the last two matches and we had the most -- probably the most unbelievable ryder cup again. >> rose: unbelievable. "swing for life" is the book. nick faldo, thank you. pleasure. >> enjoy it. read the small print. the small print is you actually have to go and practice. >> rose: oh, i know. hogan had it right. >> it shows. >> rose: it's been an extraordinary career and extraordinary broadcasting career and i'm pleased to meet you and have you here. >> thank you, appreciate it. >> rose: thank you for joining us. see you next time.